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| Skillful 3: Reading & Writing, p. 6 |
In section 3 of the reading on page 11, "Dangers of Social Identity," the article introduces the idea of rivalry (Rogers & Zemach, 2018).
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Response
There are two reasons for doing Rogers and Zemach's critical thinking exercises as blog discussions. First, there is solid evidence that putting ideas in writing, especially online, improves the quality and variety of ideas since each person can formulate and write down their ideas independently, so that a single strong personality does not dominate the group and thereby suppress ideas that we want to get (Chamorro-Premuzic, 2015; Markman, 2017; O'Connell, 2010). Second, this is a reading and writing class, so it's sensible to practice putting our ideas down quickly in writing, which also gives us a chance to review them before publishing for others to read and respond to.Note: my cited sources on the value of independent and online brainstorming, which I think also apply to our critical thinking exercises, are all from the Harvard Business Review. Don't read them now, but if you are interested in following them up, the full reference citations, including the links to each, are in the list of references below.
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Question 1
"What are some benefits of rivalry? What are some problems?
Give specific examples." (Rogers & Zemach, 2018, p. 12)Think for a minute or two, making some quick notes if you like; then in a comment below, write a short paragraph or two to tell us your ideas in response to this question.
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References
- Chamorro-Premuzic, T. (2015, April 2). Why brainstorming works better online. Harvard Business Review. Retrieved from https://hbr.org/2015/04/why-brainstorming-works-better-online
- Markman, A. (2017, May 18). Your team is brainstorming all wrong. Harvard Business Review. Retrieved from https://hbr.org/2017/05/your-team-is-brainstorming-all-wrong
- O'Connell, A. (2010, February 4). Sometimes, it’s better to brainstorm alone. Harvard Business Review. Retrieved from https://hbr.org/2010/02/when-its-better-to-brainstorm
- Rogers, L. & Zemach, D. E. (2018). Skillful 3: Reading & Writing (2nd. ed.). London: Macmillan Education
In my opinion rivalry is not a bad thing. It helps you know other people point of view and that is good for learning even though your idea is correct or not. But there is also a problem. If you are not using reason in arguing, it can cause conflicts, which is very bad and not productive.
ReplyDeleteI think so ,If people only just support their opinion with out use the reason to understand another opinion, it will be conflicts.
DeleteI like Non's idea that rivalry without reason can cause problems, but I think his idea would be much clearer is he gave us an example or two. Who, for example, is arguing with whom without reason? (I immediately thought of Thai politics, but also politics of other countries, including my own country, where there is, for example, a lot of argument without reason about issues like climate change, but as I think about it more, maybe even that rivalry is a good thing.)
DeleteI hope that Non can explain his idea a bit more and give an example or two to make it clearer.
The benefit of the rivalry is you will have more connection with people who interested somethings as same as you.
ReplyDeleteThe problem of the rivalry is sometimes person who different team will against with you . It will be more insecure.
Such as I like Man City united but my friends like chelsea .We may have argument if we talked to support as much only the team who we like.
Fah, I wasn't sure whether your concluding paragraph gave an example to support your first or your second point. Is the rivalry between fans of Manchester City and Chelsea supporting the benefit or the problem of rivalry? A bit more detail, and perhaps organizing it so that the example is clearly connected to the general idea it supports would help. But it's a good start, and very different to my own ideas on this question.
DeleteI agree that by having rivalry, you will be able to choose a side that you are cheering on and you will get to be friends with those who chose the same sides as you. Its always fun getting to share the same interest you and your friends have and talk more about it! I also agree with the problem of the rivalry you wrote, sometimes it will start a fight or an argument if we does not share the same interest or going against them which may ruin our relationships.
DeleteI think its really important to be able to balance these pros and cons!
I think that when you are already a rivalries, it will be hard to be your opponent's friend like Manchester United fans will not able to be a friend of some people who supports Liverpool, which is the biggest rivalries in the world of football. Instead, they will start trash-talking, hate, even start fighting.
DeleteAs we read in "Social Identity," rivalries between members of different groups can be strong. First, I want to discuss the example of different brands of laptops, which is something that can cause heated disagreements between, for example, Microsoft's Surface Pro laptop, which I love, and more traditional machines like Dell's XPS laptops. The rivalry between Microsoft and Dell, and all the other manufacturers of computers, is very positive because it pushes them all to make their products better every year. I bought a new MS Surface Pro a couple of weeks ago, and it's much better than the old machine it replaces. The same is true of my smartphone: the current Samsung phone I use is way better than the first Galaxy phone I got seven or eight years ago. And I think that the rivalry between users is also good. When I argue with my friend Scott about whether his Apple computer and iPhone running iOS are as good as my Windows and Android devices, it helps me to learn more about the options, and I could always change my mind. But since Windows and Android offer better options than iOS, I'm not about to change. This reminds me of why free market capitalism always brings greater economic growth to nations than does communist or other repressive state control that reduces free markets. For example Thailand's government greatly harms the Thai economy be putting high tariffs on many imported goods, and by not allowing foreigners to own land in Thailand. Such bad policies mean that the greedy rich people can easily take advantage of the majority of Thai people, who are poor and unable to compete fairly because the unjust last destroys the healthy rivalry of free markets. The result is obvious in Thailand's relatively poor economic performance, and the serious inequality.
ReplyDeleteI totally agreed with you but i think when the government putting high tariff for import part . It also help to support product of their country and it will motivate foreigner to invest company in that country. It can made people in their country got more chance to get job.
DeleteTHank you Fah. I ilke it when my students disagree with me, as long as you support your idea, which you've done. But I'm not convinced. I'm hoping that an economics or perhaps political science student might help to support me. I think that your argument is a popular one, and many Americans certainly agree with Donald Trump's tariffs on imports from China. I also think that they are wrong. I'm sure that Trump's tariffs are hurting the US economy, but perhaps someone else will support me on this.
DeleteThere will be both positive and negative sides on rivalries. Some benefits of rivalries are that we can push each other to the higher level by pushing you to work harder because you want to beat your opponents. Other example will be that you will gain a good experience. If you win, its good but if you lose, you learn and can improve yourself.
ReplyDeleteBut if rivalries are taken too far, it will affect their relationship by hating each other and may cause harm, which is not very healthy. Other cons will be that you will lose confidence of yourself if others are stronger than you.
I totally agreed with your ideas. Rivalries have both Pros and Cons . We must balance it to get only just benefit from them as motivation.
DeleteI agreed with Rina's point and her point is useful as well because it's quite similar to my point that they have both positive and negative side. It can remind me that the rivalries can make us pushing each other and the main point is whether you can win or lose, you can learn the experience and improve ourselves. Moreover, I agreed with Rina's point in its problems that I haven't think about it before. It also can make some people losing their confident if the opponents are more improve than them.
Deleterina, can you give us an example where two competing sides "push each other to the higher level"? Who? What? When? Where? How?
DeleteThere are both benefits and problems of the rivalries. For benefits, It can motivate each of them to improve themselves to be better than another. For example, the different brands of smartphones such as Apple and Samsung that they are popular smartphones. They will always improve their goods to be better in order to accurate the clients to buy it.For problems, it can make people feel angry and insecure and It can lead to more tensions between them that can bring to the social issues. For example, the political opinions which are different between two political parties can lead to more tension because some people has their strong opinion to their support party.
ReplyDeleteWow, That's remind me to think about another benefit of rivalry . It can help us to get more improvement from the band as we are customer!. we will got the better choice and got more technology in free market.
DeleteThe benefit of rivalries is when you have others to compete with, you will try to be better than your rival. And the way to be better than your rival is improve yourself, it is kind of a motivation. But if rivalries gets to serious, there could be some cheating. Such as if the two huge Spanish football club, Real Madrid and Barcelona, are going to have a final round match. They have to train their players hard so the players in these two teams will get a lot stronger and understand more tactics. But if Barcelona sees that their team will going to lose they might cheat by giving a money to a refree in order to try to give Barcelona a freekick as much as possible. So there will be more chance to shoot directly and score a goal from a freekick.
ReplyDeleteRivalry is good for develop to be better, but if it's too much pressure, you will be stress and it won't work. When it becomes serious, we have to try more harder to pass it. Unless the rivalry is in the good level individual, it would be good.
ReplyDeleteAs I'm shooter for my university, I've been just a shooter for my faculty. The pressure from rivalry is just the freshy game which's only the competition in the university, but when I'm shooter for the university, the pressure is too much because there is so much expecting of me.
I like the way Namfon uses her own experience as a competitive shooter to support her idea about how rivalry can be beneficial. I never represented my school or university at sports, but I did take part in academic contests, and the rivaly pushed us all to do better: we all wanted to win. When I was at school, I used to enter maths competitions as a student from my school, and meeting strong students from other schools was rewarding, but as Namfon says, it was also very stressful. And I couldn't always be number one, which I guess was also a useful lesson to learn.
DeleteWhen I was at university, even though I loved the subjects I studied, the desire to be the best also pushed us to compete with each other both in our assignemnts and also in class. I wanted, for example, to read the philosophy essays of others in my classes, and I liked it when they asked to read mine. Sometimes my professors asked permission to share my work with other students, which was very encouraging. And in my classes, the friendly (usually) discussions we had in class also had some rivalry because we often had strong disagreements, but I think part of a university education is learning how to argue with strong critical thinking for the position we thought was right.
Rivalries in sports are tiring, but still fun and not so serious that you have to think so hard and have a headache. Rivalries in firms are a real headache. Your firm need to have more abilities than your rival firms. Your firm falls if don't have enough abilities, but if you have more abilities than your rivals, then you have more advantage. Firm's rivalries are stressful, but for people who have abilities to do that then it's easy for them and can make more money. That's a bad news to their rivalries, but good news to them. Fallen firms got less benefits than cost.
ReplyDeleteI think so, sport would be fun if we just play with friends and no rivalry, but for practicing skills i think have some rivalries are good to push you up higher.
DeleteMeena's ideas about rivalry between firms reminded me of my own ideas, but since I'm only a consumer, I think that the rivalry is always good for me because it means I get better products at cheaper prices.
DeleteMy smart phone's camera is a good example. I used to have SLR film cameras, and then digital SLRs because the cameras on phones were not very good, but the last few years, phone cameras have become excellent as the rivalry between firms constantly pushes them to make better cameras to attract customers from their rivals. The camera on my current phone is so good that I no longer use any other camera - and I'm looking forward to Samsung's next Galaxy phone, which will be released soon. It promises to have a camera that is much better than any other, so I might have to upgrade again. On the other hand, as Meena also notes, I remember that Nokia was once a famous phone brand, but they failed to compete effectively and are hardly known today, and there are lots of other firms that were once famous but don't exist today, which probably was bad for their employees. Once upon a time, back in the 1990s when the Internet was young, there was a popular search engine called AltaVista, but wihth the rise of Google, I wonder if young people have even heard of the old ones like AltaVista. Have you heard of AltaVista?