Wednesday 7 March 2012

Is society becoming less moral?

Reading the news, I often see people complaining that society is becoming less moral, especially that young people are less moral than they used to be. Americans certainly have this idea about American society. But are they right? Is society becoming less moral?

In "Our Great Moral Decline", The Economist's R.M. writes that the Republican contenders who want to run for the job of President of the United States this November are telling voters that America needs "a strong political leader to do something to get us out of the moral slump that we’re in" (2012, ¶ 1). However, R.M. suggests that it is hard to make sense of this claim: Americans are committing less crime than before, with murder and theft both constantly decreasing over the past couple of decades. Even things like the abortion rate and teenage pregnancy are decreasing. Finally, R.M. suggests that perhaps the Republican politicians mean that America is in moral decline because less Americans believe in any god or take seriously any religion, which he agrees is true, but as he also asks: "is the decline in religious observance a moral problem?" (¶ 8). The answer, he suggests, is "No", less religion is not a moral problem for American society.

The first thing I like about R.M's short piece, actually a blog post, in The Economist, which is one of the sources included in the Looking for Something to Read? section on the right, is that he provides links to solid statistical support for all of his important ideas. For example, the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division's Uniform Crime Report clearly shows that violent and property crime in the US is decreasing (2010), and the summary of poll results from The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life (2010) shows that the younger Americans are, the less religious both in practice and in belief they are, going to church less and believing in god less. The only graph on which Americans born in 1981 or later were at the top was in opposing Bible reading and prayer in government schools. It's isn't academic writing, so R.M. doesn't give parenthetic citations and he does not include a References list at the end of his writing, but the links are there so that interested readers can check the facts and decide whether they are reliable or not. I rather wish R.M. has used at least his full last name, but it's the policy of The Economist not to give author names, unlike The New York Times, which almost always gives the writer's full name.

I also like R.M's post because it corrects what I think is a common mistake: that religion makes people more moral, or that people need religion to behave morally. The statistics showing that people are in fact behaving more morally, committing less crime, at the same time as religion is dying are good evidence that this belief about religion is false. This is not new. About 2,400 years ago, the Greek philosopher Plato argued in Euthyphro for something even stronger when he said that religious teaching could not make anything moral or immoral. And I think he was right. This also makes sense because we know that religions disagree on many moral questions, and we also know, as the crime statistics show, that people do not need a religion to tell them what is right and wrong. Worse, religion is often silly or wrong on moral issues. A not so important, silly example is that Judaism and Islam teach that eating pork is morally wrong, but it is not. On the issue of eating pork, these religions are just wrong, and it's generally not a big problem, but some religious teachings are seriously immoral. Christianity, for example, is usually believed to say that abortion and homosexuality are morally wrong and that they must be banned and punished, but these things are not normally immoral. In fact, it is these religious teachings which cause harm, suffering and injustice to many that are immoral.

I think it's very encouraging that as societies become less religious, they also become more moral. The most atheistic countries in the world are the northern European countries such as Denmark and Sweden, and they also have some of he lowest crime rates, along with the greatest respect for all citizens. The US also does well, and it is clearly improving.

And Thailand? Although Thailand is still more violent than the United States, the murder statistics for the past ten years suggest that Thai society is also becoming more peaceful today than in the past ("List of Countries", 2012). And that is a good thing. I don't think that there is any moral decline in Thailand: quite the opposite, even if, like the US and my country, there is still plenty of room for society to improve. Reading the daily newspapers might lead people to think otherwise, but society's morals in most countries are getting better, not worse.

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References
Criminal Justice Information Services Division. (2010). Crime in the United States by Volume and Rate per 100,000 Inhabitants, 1991–2010. Federal Bureau of Investigation, U.S. Department of Justice. Retrieved March 7, 2012 from http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls

List of countries by intentional homicide rate. (2012, February 29). In Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 12:42, March 7, 2012, from http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate&oldid=479443842

The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. (2010, February). Religion Among the Millennials. Retrieved March 7, 2012 from http://www.pewforum.org/Age/Religion-Among-the-Millennials.aspx

R.M. (2012, March 2). Our great moral decline. The Economist. Retrieved March 7, 2012 from http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/03/morals

12 comments:

  1. This blog rise our concern on morality among new generation with no religion. Among no religious peoples themself are called as agonistic. I think they do have some rules of belief in their own way. They may pursuit of the good character much easier than some groups of people. Although, they may don’t know how to define the morality from their idea. There are many ways to measure morality, then no solutions for input religion to our new generations if they don’t like. Morever, I think it’s no matter of more or less morality, but It should more concern of crime in each area because those residents can not stay in peace and feel secure. In Thailand case, how do you know Thai people feel secure and happy with small violence? Especially in the deep south and between red and yellow shirts.

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  2. Cartoon,
    I think the violence in the South, where religion might be part of the problem, is serious. But I can't think of any easy solution there. Perhaps something like the solutions that worked in places like Northern Ireland could work. I don't know.

    Most of the political confrontation between the Red and Yellow shirts has been peaceful, although sometimes also disruptive and annoying.

    People do worry because of the reports they see in the news, but in fact, things are getting better. They are not getting worse.

    In Thailand, the intentional killing rate has decreased every year in Thailand since 1998. In 1998, 9.56 people per 100,000 were killed, but in 2009, that was down to 5.3, which is a big drop in the level of violence. I think that is a good sign that things are getting better and society becoming less violent, even if more people are protesting and expressing their opinions on political issues that affect them.

    Unfortunately, I couldn't find any good statistics to compare other crime rates, but I think Thailand, and Bangkok, is a great place to live, and that it's getting better and safer every year.
    I am sure that morality, especially of young people, is improving in Thailand.

    Perhaps the law students have some reliable statistics for theft and other crimes?
    Zeng? Top? Can you help?

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  3. If we talk about morality, I think we are talking about behavior of each group which people express out. Another improtant thing but religious we should bring it to discuss is "Rules and Regulations", because they can affect to human action not only human behavior but also restraint of our mind. We can see whenever politician give an importance to get rid of gambler or drugs, it would have a decline tendency.

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    1. Do drug use or gambling really decline when politicians talk about them or make laws against them? Have this sort or talk or laws resulted in a decline in Thailand?

      Does playing poker (or any other card game for money) or drinking whisky decrease when they are made illegal? Has this ever happened in any country?
      Do laws against it reduce prostitution? Has such criminalisation of consenting sex for money ever reduced its frequency anywhere?

      I think the answers to all of these Yes/No questions are "No". But if you present some supporting evidence, you can persuade me to change my mind. (Sorry, but I want evidence or a good reason first.)

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    2. "ป.ป.ส.เผยยาเสพติดระบาดหนักแนะจับตายาไอซ์" http://www.tnnthailand.com/news/details.php?id=36776 reported that Thailand now have a higher tendency of persons using drugs, when compares with in the past few years that addicts tend to decline because of the war policy which government declare against drugs.

      "สวนดุสิตโพลซูฮก “ชูวิทย์” แฉบ่อนช่วย ปชช.รู้ความจริง-จี้ก้น ตร.เร่งทำงาน" http://www.manager.co.th/politics/viewnews.aspx?NewsID=9550000016138&TabID=3&
      wrote that Suan Dusit poll have 77.04% of people think that it benifits that Chuwit opens about casino information which let people know the real information about it, motivates polices to wipe it out, and gamblings decline and society is better.

      I think that if polices or person using law are rigid in using regulation which are strict enough, it can help the problems decrease.

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    3. Mart,
      Thank you. I'm glad to see you thinking and working on the questions raised. I think that they are important.

      I like the TNN report (ป.ป.ส.เผยยาเสพติดระบาดหนักแนะจับตายาไอซ์), but I think it supports my idea that making the drugs illegal and imposing severe punishments does not reduce drug use, sales and addiction.

      According the report, the police have had to admit that the spread of drugs has continued to increase. But those drugs that are increasing have been illegal all the time, so making them illegal has clearly not caused any decrease in use. In fact, since the use and sale of drugs of addiction has continued to increase while they have been illegal, perhaps the connection is that making them illegal causes more drug use. That is the correlation that the police comments in the TNN report support.

      I don't actually believe that criminalisation does cause higher drug use as the correlation between the law and the TNN report of steadily increasing use might suggest, but that cited source does not seem to me to support the idea that criminalisation reduces drug use, since it clearly tells us that drug use has increased while drugs were illegal, and not only illegal, but harshly punished.

      The report on the Suan Dusit poll also seems to me to support the idea that making gambling illegal has not led to any decline: as is clear from the report, gambling is still common, and it's something to worry about. It has been illegal in Thailand for a long time, but that has not obviously led to any reduction in gambling. In fact, like drug use, making it illegal seems to correspond with increased gambling!

      I do think that there is some more solid evidence for your very different idea in the last sentence: "that if polices or person using law are rigid in using regulation which are strict enough, it can help the problems decrease". However, this is a very different idea to saying that making something illegal reduces its prevalence. There is also a problem with how strict "strict enough" has to be to have the intended effect. If every drug user immediately had her head cut off, that would almost certainly work, but it would drastically reduce the population, and diners might find it upsetting if the people at the next table were decapitated while eating for having a glass of wine with their dinner (alcohol being a powerful drug of addiction).

      If you still think I'm wrong, please keep arguing. That will help me correct my mistaken beliefs. (Obviously, I don't think I'm mistaken, but people never do - if we did think we were wrong, we would already have changed our minds.)

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    4. The discussion here is also useful preparation for something we will look at in a couple of weeks in Quest. Again, my thanks to Mart for helping to push this discussion along so usefully.

      In fact, a few of my blog posts and comments have been written to prompt you to start thinking about some topics that will come up later in the term, and perhaps to challenge some of your ideas on those topics.

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    5. Sorry, I might not be clear about rules and regulations. I meant that regulations of criminalisation should have the intended effect and severe punishment. I understand that illegal do not make people reduce wrong doings to the end, but i think it can make it hard to happen, because someone who wants to try on or do it have to take responsibility with this wrong. Polices or person using law must to do their duty seriously. Moreover, cultivating morality to people greatly help them not to do something wrong along.

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  4. Mart,
    thank you for the clarification. I don't think that making things illegal reduces the rate at all. But I do agree with you that severe enough punishment is effective - if every person who puts others are risk by using alcohol or other drugs and then driving lost their car forever and was imprisoned for 10 years, the high road death toll in Thailand would quickly be reduced a lot. (Alcohol is probably the most dangerous drug popularly used for fun in Thailand.)

    I also have another, related question about laws that make the sale and use of some recreational drugs illegal. Are those laws moral or immoral?

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    1. I mean, are such laws just or unjust? Why?

      And we can probably now move this discussion to Crystal's thought provoking new post "Who are eligible?", where she directly raises the same questions.

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  5. I am happy to read the last sentence " society's morals in most countries are getting better, not worse".I agree with that.In the sentence "it is these religious teachings which cause harm, suffering and injustice to many that are immoral"(IIII,9),what is the part of speech that?

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    1. I used a cleft sentence to emphasise that the religious teachings, not something else, are immoral.

      I would also have written: These religious teachings which cause harm, suffering and injustice to many are immoral. But this does not emphasise that it is the religious teachings that are immoral in contrast to some popular ideas people have about religions and their teachings.

      For more information on cleft sentences and there usefulness, especially in written English, see Swan § 130 - 131, but especially § 131. Italics couldn't have worked as well here to accurately express my idea.

      Nice question. You must have been reading very carefully.

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